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No Limit Holdem Tournament
PartyPoker
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG (1990)
Hero (4100)
MP (2340)
CO (1890)
BTN (3940)
SB (4060)
BB (1680)
Blinds: 30/60
Pre-flop: (90, 7 players) Hero is UTG+1 :qc :jc
1 fold, Hero calls 60, MP calls 60, 3 folds, BB checks
Flop: :jd :kc :9c (217, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 200, MP raises to 575, BB folds, 375 to Hero (3840)?

Hi all, new to forum so thought best way to say hello is to post a hand a get some thoughts.....
This is early on in turbo sng on party. No real reads on MP, but have played him before and PO has stats 33hnd/22vpip/0pfr/0.1 agg fact, so raise will be a hand of some kind.
easy pot odds to call, so should I call and evaluate or shove..., what about the turn...?

cheers

Welcome to the forums. I don't post here much but I do lurk in the shadows and see what everyone else likes to play. Most of the guys here are a good source of info and may give a breakdown similar to mine.

With mp limping and big betting the flop, I would have to assume that he's got something like a weak king or possibly a K9, J9, or even 99. There's a long shot that he's got QT and he wants to bust your flush draw odds. I doubt he limped with pocket kings or with KJ (although I have seen it done before), and I doubt he has pocket jacks because that would mean the case Jack hit the flop (I have also seen this as well). I think the only other possibility would be a dumbass limp with pocket aces hoping someone would hit the flop hard enough for him to double up through.

According to the odds calculator on pokernews.com, you're about a 55/40 (5% tie) underdog against most of the cards that I would put him on, leaving 12 major good cards (10's for the straight and spades for the flush). i wouldn't count a Jack as a good card unless a queen hit the turn. You're actually getting something like 1.5:1 (call 375 into a 580 pot) odds on your money for a 2.5:1 call so the odds aren't quite there but I think they're close enough if you want to gamble. (if my math is off, please correct me as I hate to give bad math)

Personally I call here, knowing the MP just committed 25% of his stack. Any raise on your part would pot commit the MP and most likely force an all-in either now or on the turn. I don't think you want to raise on a non-nut draw (since you really have a Queen high flush and gut-shot straight draws).

If you hit the flush on the turn you have to jam it hard to make sure he won't call with a possible Ace of spades. If you hit a 10 for a straight, I would try to trap (check-raise) since you still have the possible flush still available on the river (even if you hit the 10c for the absolute nuts).

I'm curious to see how this hand played out as well as others opinions.

I fold suited connectors here, they have their place in a SNG but with 5 people to act you have no way of being sure of seeing the flop cheaply and always have the risk of flopping just enough to lose some more chips.... mind you if you are 1 or 2 tabling and focused on reading hands + disciplined enough to get away after the flop it is probably ok.

Well as played this is a 4-bet shove situation with so many outs and a weak reraise from your opponent. What is he saying by raising to 575 here? If he had a good king or set he raises more with all those draws needing to be priced out... if he flopped a straight he wants to keep out the flushes / higher straight redraws again he raises more than 575... To me this raise screams 'draw', he wants to see the next card cheaply in position - there are plently of chips in the pot and a zillion outs (if you do not already have the best hand)... get 'em in!

Cheers, Mark

Thanks for both your thoughts.
Firstly yes I should fold this hand in early position........


On the hand, I also thought the raise was weak because of the amount, and as I was OOP with lots of outs decided to shove. It just felt like a gamble rather than the right play (I shouldn't have got involved in the hand in the 1st place!!) which is why I posted for thoughts.

Anyway he insta called with QTo making a straight and I hit aflush on the turn.

Would it be fair to say this line seems to come from a MTT or Cash game mode of thinking?

In SNGs remember you are very limited to the amount of chips avalible at the table and there are no more added either through rebuys or new players coming to the tables. This really does limit postflop and read based play, usually to one or two blind levels and in very few spots compaired to other forms of poker. This is especially true when you are in an unfavourable position on the table.

Yes I'm a killjoy!

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