Full Tilt Poker Game #8400053606: Table Pacific Breeze - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:19:39 ET - 2008/10/08
Seat 1: Ost-junge ($3.90)
Seat 2: TeKembert ($14.80)
Seat 3: packcon ($2)
Seat 4: fukahlein ($9.90)
Seat 5: ero1337 ($1.90)
Seat 6: ToxicBen ($1.90)
Seat 7: yamomonititsiu ($2.20)
Seat 8: ertrauma ($18.90)
Seat 9: Pokermage2008 ($3.10)
Ost-junge posts the small blind of $0.05
TeKembert posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ertrauma [Td Ah]
fukahlein raises to $0.30
ero1337 folds
ToxicBen folds
yamomonititsiu folds
ertrauma calls $0.30
Pokermage2008 calls $0.30
Ost-junge folds
TeKembert folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 6c Th]
fukahlein bets $1
ertrauma has 15 seconds left to act
ertrauma raises to $3.75
Pokermage2008 folds
fukahlein has 15 seconds left to act
fukahlein raises to $9.60, and is all in

Results below:
ertrauma calls $5.85
fukahlein shows [Kc Kh]
ertrauma shows [Td Ah]
*** TURN *** [4s 6c Th] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [4s 6c Th 9c] [2h]
fukahlein shows a pair of Kings
ertrauma shows a pair of Tens
fukahlein wins the pot ($18.25) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.25 | Rake $2
Board: [4s 6c Th 9c 2h]
Seat 1: Ost-junge (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: TeKembert (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: packcon is sitting out
Seat 4: fukahlein showed [Kc Kh] and won ($18.25) with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: ero1337 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ToxicBen didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: yamomonititsiu didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: ertrauma showed [Td Ah] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 9: Pokermage2008 (button) folded on the Flop



As you can see, I bought in for max, and had built up my stack with good solid poker (and a few steals, too...:) table had been generally loose and passive to big bets. Looking back on the hand, I feel pretty donk'ed and I can see where I got out of line, but I'd like to hear your criticisms to expand upon mine. I seem to get so much more educational value when hearing it from someone else...

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As my father always said, "Son, choose your sword wisely for some day you may find you must fall on it".

Its hard to judge the quality of players at a .05/.10 table and perhaps someone else has a better feel for these types of tables because I don't play them, BUT:

I actually think you played this pretty well. Simple call w/ position preflop, I may be concerned a little if i were outkicked if an Ace hits, but fine.

Great flop raise both in principle AND amount. Your opponent could easily have missed and is just making a continuation bet and your raise makes a lot of sense. I'm also happy to see you've learned from your min raise fiasco and bet an amount that would deter him from calling w/ mere over cards or an underpair. Anywhere from 3.50- 4 is appropriate. Very good, very good.

But of course, FOLD to the RR. You did the right thing and threw out a raise to see where u were in the hand, but anyone that comes over the top AI should set off an alarm that you are in fact, behind. Let it go and move onto the next hand.

Be optimistic though. You've plugged one leak w/ your excellent raise, now just work on your discipline. Know when you're beat and be smart enough (and ego-free) to muck.

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Even before I got to Husky's response I was thinking the same thing. At these limits its really player dependent on whether to call the all in re raise and without doing the math(I"m on vacation ) you are pretty close to being priced in to justify calling.

I think you played the hand fine, although there are some people that would say you can just fold ace ten preflop for a raise, and I do at higher limits depending on the situation.

Jason

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If there are any reads on the player in question, this is worthless...

First of all I'll talk about hand selection. ATo is junky from any position in an opened pot. I would see a flop with AT close to 0% outside of the blinds. At lower limits, you should be playing hands that can both bust people while also leaving you with easy decisions (against open-raises). AT does not bust people very often, nor does it leave you many easy decisions when you connect.

On the flop, I fold. UTG has raised 3x, then come out and pot it on the flop. Obvious over-pair play imo. The CB at these limits is non existant for most players. The only other play I may make is to call the flop, then see what he does on the turn. At these limits players won't double-barrel (unless they are obviously bad), so even if it is a CB. A raise to 4'ish commits too much imo.

On a side note, I can't recommend poker tracking software any more for these limits. Against 'better' players, you can build ranges etc so much easier. But here, the stats you can get are SO helpful.

fold pre.


this is what I am going to say without reading others responses.


as played you can fold now. he has a pair of 10's licked. (This is what I think without reading the result)

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listen to me this is the best advice you will get,

i understand why you called pre-flop at this level. when the board came 10 high a raise was then in order, id have raised to about $2.75 or around that area, his gun raise and then a subsequent bet on the flop id have been wary of a big hand.

when he re-raised you all in i'd have folded instantly, you got to ask is he realy making that play with K10, 5,7 or pocket 9's? the answer is no he obviously had something i.e trip 10's 6's or the overpair.

your big mistake was calling pre-flop to a gun raise with a marginal hand.

Jason, I don't agree here even taking into consideration how small the game is.

I am not going to call a raise with a hand as weak as A-10 offsuit.

1. The first thing that it beats is A-9.
2. I am going to be afraid of my kicker if I flop an ace.
3. I am going to be afraid that he has an overpair if it comes 10 high.

It is asking too much to think that he you going to hit the flop twice. As long as neither the raiser or I are short stacked, I would much rather have a suited connector or pocket pair than an ace with a scared kicker. This goes for A-J offsuit also and against the right players A-Q. This is the kind of situation the loses more money when it is no good and wins less money when it is good. For example; Your opponent has KK or QQ and you flop an Ace, you win a small pot. He has an AK or AQ, you lose a much bigger pot, even if you call him down and never raise it. If it comes 10 high, you lose a big pot if he has an overpair and win a small pot if he has AK.

Ed Hill

fold pre flop. i think aq ak is good on preflop for lower stakes