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I have been playing PLO some lately and this is the beat I just took. Any help would be apprieciated. I admit I am a major amatuer at PLO but it seems that PLO is where the money is moving so I should figure it out. Did I do anything wrong in the following hand?

PokerStars Game #17989786222: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/06/07 - 23:20:15 (ET)
Table 'Hippasos IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: nika9 ($18.90 in chips)
Seat 2: irun99 ($32.90 in chips)
Seat 3: timao1910 ($21.35 in chips)
Seat 5: LocKBoxx ($19.80 in chips)
Seat 6: badbeats_Inc ($18.95 in chips)
nika9: posts small blind $0.10
irun99: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to irun99 [Qs 2h 5h 2s]
timao1910: calls $0.25
LocKBoxx: folds
badbeats_Inc: calls $0.25
nika9: calls $0.15
irun99: checks
*** FLOP *** [2d 8c Jh]
nika9: checks
irun99: bets $0.95
timao1910: calls $0.95
EGOBOOST joins the table at seat #4
badbeats_Inc: folds
nika9: folds
*** TURN *** [2d 8c Jh] [Jc]
irun99: bets $2.80
timao1910: calls $2.80
*** RIVER *** [2d 8c Jh Jc] [5c]
irun99: bets $8.10
timao1910: calls $8.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
irun99: shows [Qs 2h 5h 2s] (a full house, Deuces full of Jacks)
timao1910: shows [8d 3d 7h 8h] (a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
timao1910 collected $23.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24.70 | Rake $1.20
Board [2d 8c Jh Jc 5c]
Seat 1: nika9 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: irun99 (big blind) showed [Qs 2h 5h 2s] and lost with a full house, Deuces full of Jacks
Seat 3: timao1910 showed [8d 3d 7h 8h] and won ($23.50) with a full house, Eights full of Jacks
Seat 5: LocKBoxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: badbeats_Inc (button) folded on the Flop

Set over set is much more common in PLO. In Holdem, it's near impossible to get away from this situation. In PLO, a little easier, beware of bottom set. The hand you posted presents a little different problem because the board also pairs, so Jack 8 beats you and so does jack-deuce, and on the river Jacek-five beats you also.

Fortunately for you, the guy just flat called your bets, many players would have raised with his hand and you could have lost more.

I'm not sure I would have got away from your hand either, especially at these limits, but the higher PLO you play you will need to get disciplined at laying down some big hands.

Hopefully, some of our PLO experts will chime in with their opinions.

Jason

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I've lost enough hands with inferior sets and full houses that I rarely play low pairs anymore. In this example your hand is not really working well together because even if a two hits the set is rarely good. That means half of your hand isn't doing much for you apart from the suits. This is probably a hand best dumped preflop.

Edit: You were the big blind but I don't think I would bet this flop in early position.

Robert williamson, who I consider to be one of the best pot limit omaha players in the world, was quoted as saying beware of bottom set. (Karma said this also in his reply) but this is a classic case. You obviously are not gettign away from the hand but keep the hand smaller with the pot size.

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thanks for the help

Irun I probobly bet the flop and check/call check/fold the rest of the way. One element of pot-limit is that you can limit what your opponent can bet. I would have tried to keep the post small on the turn so I can call the river.

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Largely agree with PoWda on this one.

I prefer betting half the pot with the underful here (actually any time the board pairs whether I have it or not!) after all - if your oppoent has a busted draw then a half pot will get him to fold, if he has you beaten then a half pot bet will save you cash (since I am inclined to fold the underful to a pot-sized re-raise on a paired board unless there some good reasons not to (reads etc))

If botton set is a terrible hand in PLO then the underful is the killer...

Cheers, Mark

Hi irun99,
Your position makes this a hand to throw away (unless you get in free in the BB like you did ...), but the possibility of actually hitting your bottom set and getting action is a dangerous brew.

Aside from the danger of set over set, there is the harsh reality that bottom set is a 2 to 1 dog to a wrap and a flush draw. (source: Jeff Hwang's excellent book on Pot Limit Omaha) which really puts the hand's failings in a harsh light.

You did not lose a lot due to the semi-comatose state of your opponent, so at least that is good ... but the fact that you bet this hand on the turn means you had no respect for your opponent's call on the flop. The best thing I can contribute to your question is to point out that in PLO, ... position is really, really very important! Your opponent with position called your bet. If he called with a jack (which he did he knows he is relatively safe. You should check the turn because virtually every hand he could call your flop bet with is ahead of your hand here.

GoodKarmaKid and I would have extracted more blood (A lot of blood) from that hand, for sure, and so will you in the future on the other side of that hand.

The fact that you can ask good PLO questions, seem to be objective, and use a forum to sharpen your game means you are destined for success in PLO.

Good luck in your games!

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