I just felt like he was trapping with a real big hand. I rarely trrap the river but I know that most donkeys try it often. Ugh.. I left money on the table.


PokerStars Game #20218347076: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/09/07 11:35:52 ET
Table 'Gilgamesh' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: mvra ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 3: FloppyMcNutZ ($71.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Dida00 ($7.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Bunchy1 ($25.45 in chips)
Seat 6: gvmeuchips00 ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 7: 100%Rosbief ($54.30 in chips)
Seat 9: baasila ($49 in chips)
gvmeuchips00: posts small blind $0.25
100%Rosbief: posts big blind $0.50
sideout29: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FloppyMcNutZ [Ks Kd]
baasila: raises $1 to $1.50
mvra: folds
dyflluckypnk joins the table at seat #8
FloppyMcNutZ: calls $1.50
Dida00: folds
Bunchy1: calls $1.50
gvmeuchips00: folds
100%Rosbief: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [4s Qc 5s]
100%Rosbief: checks
baasila: bets $2
FloppyMcNutZ: raises $5 to $7
Bunchy1: calls $7
100%Rosbief: folds
baasila: calls $5
*** TURN *** [4s Qc 5s] [8c]
baasila: checks
FloppyMcNutZ: bets $18
Bunchy1: folds
baasila: calls $18
*** RIVER *** [4s Qc 5s 8c] [2d]
baasila: checks
FloppyMcNutZ: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
baasila: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Queens)
FloppyMcNutZ: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
FloppyMcNutZ collected $60.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $63.25 | Rake $3
Board [4s Qc 5s 8c 2d]
Seat 1: mvra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: FloppyMcNutZ showed [Ks Kd] and won ($60.25) with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: Dida00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Bunchy1 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: gvmeuchips00 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: 100%Rosbief (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: baasila showed [Ah Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens

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Would definitely have re-raised before the flop. By making it around $4.50/$5, you will get rid of those players coming a long for the ride to see the flop as they are getting nicely priced in. Therefore by having less opponents to battle against, you will more than likely reduce the fear that someone has you beat on an almost perfect board for us, allowing you to play more comfortably on future streets. Because so many players called to see the flop, it's a little harder to know where we stand, which does a lot to explain your reluctancy to bet on the river.

As played, betting for value on the river is one of the weaker parts of my game. I'm leaning toward betting the river here, but I'm not totally sure. But again, If I had raised preflop then the river decision would be made a lot easier (unless it all went in earlier).

Yeah I think I smooth call before the flop about 1% of the time. I was set mining, hoping to snap this guy off for his whole stack (and then I wussed out on the river for some reason). Thanks for the reply.

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I think you have to bet this river most all the time. Too many bad players (and avg players), especially at lower limits like this are willing to stack off with top pair. Even before I got to the part in your hand history I was thinking the guy probably had AQ. I'd suggest betting about half the pot on the river, it's also important to know your opponents stack size here on the river. The more he has, the closer you can move your betting up to a pot sized bet. Edit: after re-reading the hand history, it appears he started with $49, so he couldn't have had much left, I definitely but whatever he has left here. No Mercy for the short stacks

I generally would also re-raise preflop, but flat calling is not a bad play for deception especially if you know your opponent is prone to betting most of the way.

Jason

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Pre-flop is fine, as long as your not doing it *too* often... haha

I think I raise a little more on the flop, and certainly shove the river. As has already been said, too many players are calling off with TPTK or worse.

The texture of the game is the determining factor on whether to reraise pre-flop or smooth call pre-flop. If raises are thining out the field and you think that is reasonably likely that you will be the only caller, smooth calling is real strong. If there is an aggressive player or two to act behind me, I am smooth calling 100%. If neither is the case, reraise.

Since I did smooth call, my opponent is very likely to have the kind of hand that he actually had. Since you didn't get reraised on the flop or check raised on the turn, you should assume that your hand is good, unless the river is scarey. Therefore, my read is; KK is good and I want paid.

If I had reraised before the flop, it is a lot easier for my opponent to station me and the river bet is going to be a lot bigger because the bets were much bigger along the way because of my pre-flop reraise. Now it is going to be real hard to get paid and I am only getting called when I am beat a high percentage of the time. In that spot I like checking.

I am used accustomed to playing A LOT higher than these stakes, the river bet "might" be right in the later scenario against just the right opponent, but I still think I would much rather "show it down."

Ed Hill

Thanks for the great reply Ed, some solid advice there. Ed jumped right and started posting without introducing himself.

Here is thread introducing Ed Hill to Poker Strategy Forums:

Introducing Ed Hill

Once again, welcome. You are a great resource for the members here.


Jason

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Thanks for the reply.

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raraise KK and your opp folds AQ and if he calls that fine too but i like my kings to fire the river to pay you lot more than 60 dollar pot i love haveing nut hands like AA and KK