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Old May 22nd, 2008, 02:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Easy fold right?

PokerStars Game #17615355869: Tournament #88687447, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/05/22 - 15:57:02 (ET)
Table '88687447 273' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: FloppyMcNutZ (5275 in chips)
Seat 2: 2Hi2lose (7955 in chips)
Seat 3: MegadethDave (8225 in chips)
Seat 4: Dpain66 (6942 in chips)
Seat 5: J2672 (17540 in chips)
Seat 6: Yogi BeaŽ (9995 in chips)
Seat 7: Gastritze66 (2830 in chips)
Seat 8: strattman70 (15895 in chips)
Seat 9: setxraven (5670 in chips)
FloppyMcNutZ: posts the ante 25
2Hi2lose: posts the ante 25
MegadethDave: posts the ante 25
Dpain66: posts the ante 25
J2672: posts the ante 25
Yogi BeaŽ: posts the ante 25
Gastritze66: posts the ante 25
strattman70: posts the ante 25
setxraven: posts the ante 25
setxraven: posts small blind 125
FloppyMcNutZ: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FloppyMcNutZ [Ah Ks]
Gastritze66 said, "nh"
strattman70 said, "ty"
2Hi2lose: folds
MegadethDave: calls 250
Dpain66: raises 267 to 517
J2672: folds
Yogi BeaŽ: folds
Gastritze66: raises 2288 to 2805 and is all-in
strattman70: folds
setxraven: folds
FloppyMcNutZ: ? folds
MegadethDave: folds
Dpain66: calls 2288
*** FLOP *** [7c 4c Td]
*** TURN *** [7c 4c Td] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [7c 4c Td 8c] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dpain66: shows [2s 2h] (two pair, Tens and Deuces)
Gastritze66: shows [9c 9d] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Gastritze66 collected 6460 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6460 | Rake 0
Board [7c 4c Td 8c Th]
Seat 1: FloppyMcNutZ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: 2Hi2lose folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MegadethDave folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dpain66 showed [2s 2h] and lost with two pair, Tens and Deuces
Seat 5: J2672 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Yogi BeaŽ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Gastritze66 showed [9c 9d] and won (6460) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 8: strattman70 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: setxraven (small blind) folded before Flop
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 09:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Easy fold right?

Again, the decision is somewhat complicated by the low level buyin of the tournament.


The way I see it is you have two moves that are both decent options.
  1. Fold - you don't lose anything, play another pot on your own terms.
  2. Go all in yourself, the orginal raiser(dpani66) has you covered but I think it would be pretty likely that he would fold if you went all in, which means your really only betting 2805. So even if you lose to Gastritze66 you still have some chips to play with.
Personally, I like option two but option one isn't bad either.

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Old June 13th, 2008, 02:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Easy fold right?

I re-shove unless Dpain has been shown to mini-raise with big hands. With all the money already in the pot (antes, the limper, the mini-raise, and the SS push) and the strength you will be representing by 4-betting, its a very good opportunity to pick up some chips.

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I re-shove unless Dpain has been shown to mini-raise with big hands. With all the money already in the pot (antes, the limper, the mini-raise, and the SS push) and the strength you will be representing by 4-betting, its a very good opportunity to pick up some chips.
This is definetly jam or fold, I just don't know why I woudl jam here. I have a big hand, but I try not to overvalue AK. I jam anything TT-AA here, I don't hink AK is quite enough after a raise (min but I usually just assume they have no idea what they are doing when I see this and can have a huge range) and a re-raise. AK is good but after enoughaction I have to ask myself what I can beat.

I am not exactly in a desperate chip situation here. I think the fact that I have some chips allows me to wait for a better spot.
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Old June 13th, 2008, 08:52 AM   #5 (permalink)
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This is definetly jam or fold, I just don't know why I woudl jam here. I have a big hand, but I try not to overvalue AK. I jam anything TT-AA here, I don't hink AK is quite enough after a raise (min but I usually just assume they have no idea what they are doing when I see this and can have a huge range) and a re-raise. AK is good but after enoughaction I have to ask myself what I can beat.

I am not exactly in a desperate chip situation here. I think the fact that I have some chips allows me to wait for a better spot.
I'm not saying folding is terrible.

Also, imo, if your pushing TT but not AK in this position, thats a leak.

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Default Re: Easy fold right?

I would usually fold here in this spot. But considering what they had you were getting more than 3 to 1 in a coin flip situation. I would have called knowing what they had and hoped to hit and move onto win compared to just trying to stay alive.
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I'm not saying folding is terrible.

Also, imo, if your pushing TT but not AK in this position, thats a leak.
You are probobly right, I say TT-AA but it is probobly more like QQ-AA.
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<---- always overplays AK...

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<------Rarely overplays AK...It's just a very good drawing hand.
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