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| PokerStars NL Hold'em - $1/$2 Ring (5 handed) Hand History converter powered by Poker.vg Starting Stacks: Seat 1: BB ($171.10) Seat 2: UTG ($338.25) Seat 3: CO (Hero) ($511.05) Seat 4: BTN ($32) Seat 6: SB ($533.15) Preflop: Hero is CO with ![]() UTG raises $6, Hero calls $6, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds Flop: ($15) - 2 players ![]() UTG checks, Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10 Turn: ($35) - 2 players ![]() UTG checks, Hero bets $27, UTG raises $100, Hero calls $73 River: ($235) - 2 players ![]() UTG all-in $222.25, Hero calls $222.25 Final pot: $677.50 ($2 rake) Results below: UTG has a full house, Queens full of Kings ![]() UTG wins $677.50 from main pot Hand History converter powered by Poker.vg |
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| I don't know villans stats, or your image, but I would mostly raise pre flop. post flop I would take the same line, but I don't see how your not getting stacked 100% of the time. just one of those situations why playing within your bankroll is so important. unlucky IMO. |
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| ty for response |
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| also, I put my stack in on the turn after villains raise
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| Well, when he calls you on the flop, he is either the world's greatest optimist with a flush draw, holds 55, or has Qx where x>9. I think that AA or KK would reraise to define their hand, but this is too linear to be counted on today. Maybe JJ? ![]() Looks to me that on the turn you should make the decision to reraise all in . If he played Q5 or Q7 ... ... well good luck to him and you are going to make a lot of money playing him.Calling gives him a free chance to hit his kicker because in fact he has made a blocking bet to price in the cost of a river card. Charge him more for that river card IMHO.Reraising tells him you have AQ in a "brick in the face" sort of way, or 77, or 55. When you reraise all in, unless he has just stepped out of a lobotomy clinic, he "knows" he is drawing for three outs, will only win 6.8% of the time, and he should slink away with his tail between his legs by folding. ![]() You play this hand with this guy 100 times when you reraise all in on the turn and if he calls every time you are going to be up over $58,000 [100 x (1 - 0.068) x (pot $677.50)] - [100 x 0.068 x (pot $677.50)] = $63,131 - 4,607 = $58,524 ![]() Turn: Stick it all in ... to cash in on the maximum fold equity.
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| I have no experience at $1/2 stakes, but I'd reraise preflop to better define his holding. As played,I would think at best, he is holding AQ or a lower PP. As I said in another post, I play trips aggressively and would try to take the pot down. Get your money in with the best hand. ![]() As it played, I'd of reraised/pushed the turn to put him all in to keep playing. Just my micro-stakes opinion... ![]()
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| I don't really like re-popping pre-flop at all (assuming you have no read on the player). You'll have position post-flop, against him at least. I can't see how re-raising is going to define your hand even further. If he smooth calls, his range is still 22+, ATs+, AJo+, etc etc...still wide anyway. If he 4-bets you have to dump, but can't be too conviced that your beat imo. Granted I play a more post-flop game, I just can't see 3-betting as +ev (unless against certain players). Flop is fine, definitely need to push the turn. He is telling you he has a Q or 55/77, if he has one of those hands that have you beat, your getting stacked - nothing you can do about it. |
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![]() | I dont' really like 3 betting AQ preflop in no limit either. I'd rather see the flop than have players with medium pairs 4 betting/pushing pre-flop and then having to fold. I think you have to put all the money in on the turn though, you have the best hand and there is already substantial action. The end result is most likely the same but someitmes alll you can do as a poker player is get the money in good and hope for the best. Jason
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| I spent most of the last years playing sng's and T's, so being fairly new to cash game i know am fairly weak post flop (work in progress). But I really don't get the call and play post flop. 5 handed I follow the concept of control:position:cards. By calling pre flop we are leaving control to utg post flop. I don't find 4 bets are overly common pre flop from hands I play or in hands posted on forums, and they are usually hand defining, unless they 4 bet light or you 3 bet light. If you call and the flop is Axx rainbow, he FCB are you calling or raising? if you call and he bets the turn...? If you raise and he shoves...? I would appreciate your views here as this is where I make mistakes. This is a an example from a respected cash pro from another forum, that highlights my reasons for a pre flop raise. Pre-flop Aggression We want to be the player that makes the last raise pre-flop when we are in a hand. Thus, we will have the betting “lead” or “initiative” on the flop. That is, typically, players will check the flop to the player that made the last raise pre-flop. Aggressive poker is winning poker. Let’s look at two simple examples that show how pre-flop aggression wins the pot from better hands. EXAMPLE #1 EXAMPLE #2Having the betting lead forces our opponent to make hands and react to us. With our bets, we are asking our opponents, “Did you make a hand? If not, fold.” And most of the time, our opponents will miss the flop. |
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| Ok i agree that you shuld have raised more preflop but realy there was not much chance of getting him away from that hand. its for that reason that id say its just a bad luck hand. you were ahead but dead. eventhough you had the best hand untill the river its obvious that he would not leave his hand so even if you had gone allin at the flop or even on the turn the river still would be shown and he still would have won. The only other thing i could say is that i posibly would have put him on poket 7's or 5's posibly a Q7 or Q5. either way you shuld have seen the sudden jump and questioned a full house. you played it well and he played it bad, but he won. deal with it! |
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