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Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds + t60 - 4 players
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CO: t10240 M = 10.34
BTN: t33040 M = 33.37
SB: t25929 M = 26.19
Hero (BB): t7225 M = 7.30

Pre Flop: (t990) Hero is BB with
2 folds, SB raises to t1000, Hero calls t500

Flop: (t2240) (2 players)
SB checks,


SB has over played hands all night like Ax, I'd say he's got a LAG image.
We are on the final table bubble. What's your move?

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Ship it in

Are u advocating shoving here?
I hope not because ur really not getting called by worse. If he had an underpair to the 8 I'd expect him to cbet here to try and take it down. If were ahead now then villain is drawing to 6 outs at best and a lot of the time 3 outs. I'd just make a PSB.



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I will add on to this, but please answer first question as well.

2nd question, if you raise pot...if he re-raises then you...?

If he calls, turn is an Ace, he checks, you...?

He calls, turn. Is an Ace, he bets, you...?
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Ship it in.

With an M of 7, I don't like your call here preflop. What kinda flop were you hoping to see? But as played, i'm shoving here.

Why I won't make a PSB:

It leaves you with 3985 and a pot that is larger than your remaining stack. If you get called, then what? You get RR'd, then what? You're going to fold and leave less than 4k for the next hand in the SB? Take these options away from him.

If he had overs in this spot, i would expect him to have cbet as it would have been very easy for you to simply fold away if you missed. If he had an OP, i would still have expected him to make some cbet to protect his hand against what he probably puts you on (Ax, broadway), or against the spades on the flop. You're way ahead here. I imagine he's got some A rag and is drawing to 3 outs....that's 12% to win.

You're ahead, you're on desperation mode, put your chips in the middle. Hopefully he'll fold, but I wouldn't even be upset at a loose call. He can't now RR you, and knows you're committed. With an M of 7, and severely short in comparison to the rest, your options are limited.

You can pick up 31% of your stack while he has 24% to win AT BEST, but as I described, I expect him to only be drawing to 3 outs and 12% to win.

Isn't that worse?

tbo, if you are on the bubble with the short stack you should just fold or shove pre. You are calling 7% of your stack with a crap hand, and now you have TP you have to spend even more chips to find out where you are in the hand.

As played...what is your read on the player...
how often does he open bet the small blind.
how much does he bet the small blind by. 2x bb or 2.5bb etc
how often do you fold/raise/call...what does he give your range if you flat call.
how often does he f cbet, how often does he check...what hands has he shown.
(note: it is very standard currently to feign weakness by checking flops as pfr'r in blind battles)
now think about your actions:
if you shove, how often to you think he will call and with what range
if you bet pot, what will your next actions be if he a: calls b: raises (consider stack:blind ratio)
if you check and a scare card hits (flush or overcard etc), what will you do if he bets... or checks

These are the things you should be thinking everytime you are in this situation in order to develop a 'read' or 'feel' for the player.

going through the list personally...
I dont know betting freq amount or f cbet amount of this player, but I do know with his stack size he should be pounding you, so by checking he is not protecting his hand v flushes etc so I would say he has a big hand or nothing ( I think he should be betting any drawing hand)
I really have no idea of your image
If you shove he will either call and you will be behind (hopefully with some outs)
or he will fold
If you bet pot and he folds - great..BUT he is likely to call with most over card type hands, and you are now pot commited (same if he raises) - time to cross your fingers and toes
if you check, almost every card on the turn will make the 8 look beaten... will you fold (unlikley) or make a crying call/shove

Looking at the above, I would say you are more likely ahead now than you will be at any other point in the hand. checking or betting pot, gives him a great chance to catch up if he is behind - so I would shove and hope he folds

That last post from FKS makes me want to reconsider some of the stats I have on my hud, good info, thanks. I'm going to wait just a little longer to post results of the hand.

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Husky I really don't understand your point of view here.

You say shove because we're ahead. If we are ahead then the most outs he has is 6 with 2 overcards and will often be drawing to 3 with one over. This is a great proposition, and we really could not have asked for a better flop. Not sure why you're advocating shoving out of fear of a turn or river decision when a PSB commits us to the pot.

If we make a PSB, it is effectively a shove in our eyes as we are committing ourselves to the pot, though I highly doubt that our opponent realizes this.

Assuming that we are ahead which we are an overwhelming percentage of the time against villain's range, any money villain puts in the pot on the flop is a huge mistake which he can not make up for regardless of whether he hits one of his outs. Therefore, if an overcard falls on the turn, I'm happily stacking off here as we're very pot committed and no single overcard is guaranteed to have helped villain's hand anyways.

I have no reads on villain, but it is very possible that he is planning a bluff check raise which we would completely negate with a shove and we want to give him that opportunity, especially when he has AQ and drawing to 3 outs.

You seem unsure about the turn or river action if we get called. Its a no brainer as regardless of any turn card we're still ahead of his range as we are on the flop so we stick it in.

Ok...

I also took the line of shoving after he checked the flop. I was putting him on Ax, a suited connector or nothing but a bluff. He has been making crappy plays all night. That said, I wanted to take the pot but also didn't want him to stick around with an Ace hopping to hit, thus I wanted make sure he had no doubt that I was committed, and he needed to have it spelled out that way. Plus, I needed some chips if I was going to win this thing and he was first on my list to get them.

Anyway, the a hole called my shove with AJo and the turn was an Ace, a Jack was the river. I went out in tenth place, Villain went out in ninth. I guess I wasn't sure what I would do if an over card hit. If the pot size bet was going to commit me anyway, might as well gain the needed chips if he folded, or end up where I did anyway. That's just my thoughts.

On another note, I tried out that other hot key program, and it looks really good. It's free for one money table at a time.

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