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One more thought...As far as why I played the hand in the first place..... I think that was a min raise and we were 4 handed. Is 8Q really that bad of a hand short handed and short stacked heads up? That's a serious question. Should my hand range be tighter in this spot? Does it matter if I thought I could out play or get away from the hand had I not hit? I believe my thought was that if I connected any part and there were no overs, that I was going to shove, which is what happened.

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calling in the BB with the right odds to do so is fine as long as you have enough chips to do so. Meaning you will miss the flop most of the time, or you have enough chips to be able to out manouvre your opponent 7M will never achieve this. Q8o is a bad hand - it is not suited or connected. Read harrington on holdem (or google the use of M) but with 7M you need to be playing very tight not splashing around.

I don't mind you shoving pre with Q8 depending on your read of your opponent as this makes it harder to call with crap, and maybe saves your blind from being attacked every hand, but with your stack size and at this stage of a tournament calling is not optimal play..... fwiw... as played it doesnt matter if you shoved, pot bet or checked the flop (or if you had shoved pre!) the result would have been the same, so gg for making 10th.... better luck next time

I'm not unsure. I shove this on the flop.

I think you misinterpreted when i asked:
This was rhetorical because it doesn't matter what he does or what card hits the turn, you're committed if you make a PSB.

As, FKS stated, any turn is going to make your 8 look defeated and just because you're ahead on the flop and have the villain drawing to 3-6 outs doesn't mean you want him sticking around.

Given your M (and your reads on the opponent) I think your only options are to check or shove. Any bet, of any amount is ineffectual.

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with HuskyBlue in this hand. Making a PSB is nearly pot committing, and on the bubble, I think that's a horrible move since the bigstack can afford to either come over the top of you right now, or get tricky with some sort of Stop & Go move. Even if the bigstack does this and loses, he's still a bigstack, who cares.

I think FKS said it the best. This is a fold or shove preflop & we don't have enough info from the original post to make that decision. With no reads on villain I fold this preflop. I'd rather push all-in blind vs. blind on the next hand if given the opportunity than risk wasting the last hour or more to bubble out playing a crap hand.

Great information guys. I think I had some emotion involved in my call/shove. The good thing is my read was right on what he had, the bad news is I should have left emotion out, thought harder on the whole situation and waited for a better spot to get my money in.

Thanks again!

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My reasoning for only making a PSB is because I want villain to call or come over the top because he is a donk, and we now have his range crushed and are most times at worse a 75% favorite.

I'd much rather get a chance to double up now as a 75% favorite and be in better position to take this whole thing down than to play it safe and give villain a chance to play his hand perfectly. I want him to make a mistake.

I play within my roll and variance is my bitch.

OK. I can understand that logic. I'm still in favor of folding preflop, but you're probably right about us beating 90% or so of his range now that we're in the pot.

OK, you sold me on the PSB on the Flop and call any shove.

I don't agree. to keep things simple JM, I think your line is cash game based, you are good at value extraction and I for one can learn a lot from your posts, but we are in a high blind tournament and need to do a lot more bluffing , so we have to be much more aggressive not just in this hand, but in all future hands... so we have to make people scared to tangle with us. If we just extract value when we have value, it will stick out a mile even at the lowest stakes... if we take this line without the hand/value we will lose a lot of our chips. in order to succeed in future hands our opponents must know we might be bluffing, but yes we also might have the goods.....does this make any sense??

going thru all the decisions i think FKS is right in his opinion