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Old March 28th, 2008, 06:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default How to calculate pot odds

A very important to know Pot Odds and what they mean. Not only should you know pot odds, but you must now how to calculate pot odds. This is actually one of the simplest mathematical equations in poker. Pot odds are really just the ratio of the amount of money in the pot compared to the amount of money you need to put into the pot to continue to play in the hand. So for example, if there is $200.00 in the Pot, and you must put in $20.00 to call a bet, then the pot odds ration is 10:1.
All you have to do is take the amount of money in the pot and divide it by the amount of money that you must put into the pot, and you will have pot odds.
$ in pot / $ to be put in pot = Pot Odds
Pot Odds are pretty useless when you try to use them by their selves. You must be able to use hand odds together with Pot Odds. They work together with each other to create a great way to know when to call a hand and when not to. There are many players out there that strictly play by the odds and the odds only. When you here odds and probabilities being talked about, it is reference to pot odds and hand odds.
What are hand odds?
Hand odds are just simply the chances that you will make a winning five card poker hand. One of the most common drawing hands is a flush draw. If you have two spades in your hand, and there are two spades on the board then the odds of making a flush will be about 2:1. What his means to you, is that you will hit your flush one out of every 3 times that you play for a flush in this situation (which is usually quite often). Yes, 3 times, not 2. If your hand odds come out to 3:1, then you will hit your flush 1 out of every 4 times you play the hand.
The first thing you must know in order to calculate your hand odds, is the amount of outs you have in order to make a winning hand. Once you know the outs it is easy to figure out the percentages and odds.

Calculating Hand Odds:
1. Count the number of cards that will make a winning hand.
2. On the flop, multiply your outs by 4 then add 1.
3. On the turn, multiply your outs by 2 then add 1.

Example
Your Hand = A(d) K(d)
Flop = 10(d) J (d) 2(h)
In this situation you can see that right now you do not have a winning hand. It is safe to assume that if any diamond comes up you will win with a flush. It is also safe to assume that if any queen comes up you will win with a straight.
Outs = 17 (13 Diamonds, 4 Queens)
This means on the flop you will have a 69% chance of winning this hand
17 outs X 4 = 68 + 1 = 69%
On the turn you will have a 35% chance of winning this hand
17 outs X 2 = 34 + 1 = 35%
Now that you understand how to calculate hand odds, you must be able to use them with pot odds. This is the whole purpose of calculating all of this. Remember that poker is a game of the long run. If you play the odds, you will win in the long run.
You see, in this example you have approximately a 7:10 chance of winning this hand, which means you will win 7 out of 10 times on this draw. So in order for you to call a bet, you must have pot odds that match up to this. Your odds here are of winning this hand are 3:1.

Let’s say that there is $100.00 in the pot, and the bet is $20.00 your odds are 6:1 which means that you can afford to lose this hand 5 times before breaking even. Well since your hand odds are 3:1. That means that you are getting double out of your pot odds then what you are looking for. This means you should profit nicely from this hand, and it is a great opportunity. It is hard to understand on paper, but once you practice it and read over this article a couple times in between you will get the hand of the odds.

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Old March 28th, 2008, 07:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: How to calculate pot odds

Interesting article - it is indeed important to know your odds in any given situation.

Just to ask that members be cautious with pasting articles from elsewhere into posts - unless explicitly stated material on the web is not free to distribute and we could get in trouble with the owners!

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Old March 28th, 2008, 08:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Example
Your Hand = A(d) K(d)
Flop = 10(d) J (d) 2(h)
In this situation you can see that right now you do not have a winning hand. It is safe to assume that if any diamond comes up you will win with a flush. It is also safe to assume that if any queen comes up you will win with a straight.
Outs = 17 (13 Diamonds, 4 Queens)
This means on the flop you will have a 69% chance of winning this hand
17 outs X 4 = 68 + 1 = 69%
On the turn you will have a 35% chance of winning this hand
17 outs X 2 = 34 + 1 = 35
I just noticed a problem here. This math is wrong. it is not accoutning for the fact that you are holding 2 diamonds and that out of the four queens one is a diamond as well. Your true outs are 12. The 9 diamonds and 3 queens still left in the deck. The math here is totally wrong.

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Old March 28th, 2008, 08:41 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: How to calculate pot odds

This was a good post until the math section. Are we trying to encourage the new players to draw with incorrect odds?

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Old March 28th, 2008, 11:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: How to calculate pot odds

I belive pot odds areimperative in poker but i also believe in tournament poker there should be no such thing as pot odds.

If you do not have the best hand you are only losing chips by calling them off when you think you are beat just because you feel "pot committed"
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Old March 28th, 2008, 11:12 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Sorry for doing another annoying post but just thought of something wanted to get off my mind more to this subject.

I feel pot odds are not as important.
But i do feel implied odds are HUGE.
If i have a thin draw and are deep stack why not call off a little bet if you think your opponents hand is huge that he or she will give me a huge pot if i hit.
I mean if your opponent is bluffing and has no hand if you hit your flush draw, how much can you possibly win? But if you miss his bluff is gonna kick you off the hand and you will lose more than it is worth to chase.

IMPLIEd odds are huge.
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Default Re: How to calculate pot odds

100% with you Kickboy - good no limit play is centred around implied odds... it gets more interesting when you factor in that different opponents and situations offer different implied odds.

Many players could benefit from thinking about the odds they are offering to their opponents and how this affects bet sizing (but hey, maybe thats another subject all-together!!).

Shame they got the math wrong, must admit I only skimmed the main points!

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Old March 30th, 2008, 11:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Damn... and I always thought "pot odds" was how much pot you had to smoke to call with a really crap hand
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Old March 30th, 2008, 02:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: How to calculate pot odds

Quote:
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Sorry for doing another annoying post but just thought of something wanted to get off my mind more to this subject.

I feel pot odds are not as important.
But i do feel implied odds are HUGE.
If i have a thin draw and are deep stack why not call off a little bet if you think your opponents hand is huge that he or she will give me a huge pot if i hit.
I mean if your opponent is bluffing and has no hand if you hit your flush draw, how much can you possibly win? But if you miss his bluff is gonna kick you off the hand and you will lose more than it is worth to chase.

IMPLIEd odds are huge.
Not an annoying post at all, that makes a lot of sense, good post kickboy.

Kind of annoying and embarassing for whichever site that posted the mistakes in the math though. I'm not sure that is a place you want to learn from
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Old April 14th, 2008, 06:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Here is a link to a good article on pot odds.

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