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Old April 22nd, 2009, 09:04 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Default Re: Trying to improve my SNG game

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Originally Posted by HuskyBlue View Post
Staying on the penny tables until you build this giant 500 dollar bankroll will do 2 things:

A) It will take freaking forever, even if you're crushing them.
B) You will never get any better if you never play better players. Even if you're making money (albeit at a snail's pace on the penny tables) you're still never making any real gains in your play b/c you're not facing better competition.

Good players become great players by playing better players.
Ok, seriously, a $500 bankroll is certainly not 'giant' for playing NL25. I play NL25 and I have over $2k in my roll right now.

Grinding out 30buyins at NL10 is not going to take that long. To me, 'crushing' NL10 would probably be about 15+bb/100. I sustained 19bb/100 over a 50k hand sample some time last year when I first moved to fullring from 6max. Without playing a crazy amount of tables you can easily get in 300 hands per hour, so $1.50 * 3 = $4.50 per hour. Depending on how much volume you're putting in this can take a couple of months, but it is'nt forever.

People often think that this game is simpler than it actually is, and they're usually the ones that end up going busto and blaming it 'donks' who never fold or make accusations like 'omfgwtf this site is sooooo rigged'.

I'm sorry but your second point about not getting better if you don't start playing better players is simply not true. This implies that you should be focusing on outplaying the better players at the table. Any player at any level should be focusing on extracting value from the fish. This is something that you will always be doing, and therefore always improving at. Extracting value is goes far deeper than simply betting top pair on every street. Opportunities to get thin value out of weaker hands from bad players come up very frequently, and developing your understanding of villains calling ranges, and betsizing WILL MAKE YOU A BETTER PLAYER.

Your last point: "Good players become great players by playing better players" was well put. However it's not really applicable here. Most of us here are still working on becoming 'good'.

'New players become GOOD players by grinding, studying, and learning how to value bet'.

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