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Originally Posted by LadyHoldem  The QJ, if he check-raises here, the only player that would call is the smaller flush is it not? The smaller flush would likely be trapped, married and go all in, but it's not statistically likely that there will be a player with a smaller flush. |
You may have a point, but I see players make bad calls all the time, especially in Limit Holdem. If the late postion better flopped two pair he definitely wouldn't fold, and may even raise. Again, sounds goofy and illogical, but I see this type of play all the time from bad players. Most of the time, they won't fold top pair in this spot either (at least bad players). The small flush is trapped into calling for sure.
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I agree that he needs to raise somewhere, else he doesn't no for certain where he stands, and he's missing bets. It's not entirely unsafe to bet the nuts in the first place, as most people aren't going to assume you really just bet the nuts, of course you'll have to change that habit up as you go.
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Bingo ! I often bet out when I flop quads, full houses, flushes, etc. Players never want to believe you and they think your just trying to buy the pot (because in their own minds if they flopped the nuts, they would slow play the hand or some other non-genius play).
One of the first lessons I learned when I moved to Vegas was get rid of FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome). Most often the correct play is to bet your hand, straight forward and directly. Poker really isn't as complicated as some people make it be.
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If you are going to check raise, it seems to me you ought to wait until the turn or river, so that you're getting big bets in, rather than just the small bet if the table does fold up around you.
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A valid point, but with 3 suited cards on the flop, if another card of the same suit falls on the turn or the river, it will spoil your chance for a check raise(like it did in the hand above). I'm a big advocate of getting the money in with the best of it, you never know when a player will go crazy when your holding the nuts.
Jason
