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Originally Posted by kickboy  1) Is sitting around a computer with a few friends fair compared to the "one player per hand rule" |
I would definitely say it is unfair, and the group discussion would certainly be beneficial with regard to making key decisions. As Mark mentioned this is going to be next to impossible to enforce and monitor for. I'd say it approaches cheating but probably doesn't cross the line given the fact that other players basically have the same option. It comes down to one's own personal ethics and morals.
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2) How strictly should ghosting be enforced.
(Say your playing a tourney and in the middle of it you can not finish, you have a friend sign on under your name from their home and start to play for you)
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In my opinion, I would consider this cheating. You can't just roll into any live event, get knocked out, then take over for a friend, it shouldn't be any different for online tournaments. This is a little easier to monitor for by recording of IP addresses, etc. There have been some cases that sites have caught eventual winners doing this. I think the online sites are starting to do a better job of cross referencing and monitoring ip addresses, but this can get a little tricky. For example, what happens, if my computer or Internet connection crashes when I'm deep in a tourney? I decided to run over to my friends house to finish the tournament? How will the site differentiate the issues? Pretty murky water when your talking about big money.
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Originally Posted by SNGPlanet Mark this is virtually impossible to track - especially when the 'play' is advised over MSN rather than switching computers (and thus IP addresses which can be tracked). |
I wouldn't be so sure of this to be honest. Although they would never openly admit it (for breach of privacy concerns) I know for a fact some online poker sites have "sniffers" looking around your computer for unauthorized programs, it wouldn't be hard at all for them to sniff open instant messenger programs and who they are chatting with, recording ip addresses, etc.
One time I was playing on party poker and I was reading a forum post about a rogue program, party poker immediately starting flashing a warning to "immediately shut down the application" or my session would be terminated. The only way they could know about the program is if they had a sniffer snooping around
(in this case they were snooping at my internet explorer browsing). There is also a program called Poker Edge, which is basically like
Poker Tracker or
Poker Office, except the hand histories were shared among thousands of players. Several online poker sites banned their users from using this program, and at least two that I know of popped up the warning boxes.(meaning sniffers are running in the background.
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There is no doubt in my mind that this is prevalent at the mid to higher buy-in levels, with many excellent players ghosting their 'Horses' once they build up chips. While I personally believe that this is just plain cheating, it is so difficult to enforce that it is not worth losing any sleep over... what will be will be.
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I'd agree, there is almost nothing you can do about it, especially if they are talking over the phone it's going to be nearly impossible to monitor for.
Interesting topic, looking forward to hearing others opinions.
Jason
